tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post1063147139586547031..comments2008-03-21T22:47:42.265-05:00JThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07870180415697038018noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-10774332620789540112008-03-21T22:47:00.000-05:002008-03-21T22:47:00.000-05:002008-03-21T22:47:00.000-05:00Muslims Against Sharia call on Senators McCain and Obama to cut all ties with their racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic supporters.<BR/><BR/>McCain: <A HREF="http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam.html" REL="nofollow">http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam.html</A><BR/>Obama: <A HREF="http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/racist-congregation-cheering-racist.html" REL="nofollow">http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/racist-congregation-cheering-racist.html</A>Muslims Against Shariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01742603212829734147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-77656840221361635602008-03-21T13:46:00.000-05:002008-03-21T13:46:00.000-05:002008-03-21T13:46:00.000-05:00JT,<BR/><BR/>I am ashamed that you would post things so negative and venomous towards Obama when you did not research what it was that made such a big deal. I listened to the post 9/11 sermon, and read Roland Martin's take, and I don't know if there is one thing that we should disagree with. Taking a couple of quotes out of a sermon can make anybody look like a monster, and you haven't taken his context into account at all. <BR/><BR/>Regarding his 9/11 sermon, see below:<BR/><BR/>http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/<BR/><BR/>However, I'm not surprised that you would jump on this bandwagon. Anything that makes Obama look bad even though it's not the truth or it's half the truth you seem to post without any disclaimer. You have an agenda, and it is right-wing politics as much as the Gospel. Good dayLukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10462492727350793432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-69614500899400391132008-03-19T10:58:00.000-05:002008-03-19T10:58:00.000-05:002008-03-19T10:58:00.000-05:00When I hear this man preach, he looks more like what Paul says to avoid, then he does someone to intreat, and listen to.<BR/><BR/>The pulpit is a sacred place. A place where the Word of God's grace needs to spoken. The truth must be expounded upon with love, and with humility.<BR/><BR/>I don't see that at all.<BR/><BR/>Obama condemns him. That should say something.<BR/><BR/>There are fasle teachers, that satan is using to deceive, if it were possible, even the elect of God.<BR/>That's something we need to heed, and we should be immersing ourselves in God's Word, for there are thousands upon thousands of false teachers within the Church.donsandshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-45520036428620178872008-03-19T10:28:00.000-05:002008-03-19T10:28:00.000-05:002008-03-19T10:28:00.000-05:00donsands - good job of proof-texting. paul's concern in romans is not relevant to this issue.<BR/><BR/>sorry.<BR/><BR/>theologica.wordpress.comJeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09316664265171678106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-36691051067521627882008-03-19T00:03:00.000-05:002008-03-19T00:03:00.000-05:002008-03-19T00:03:00.000-05:00"May I very sincerely ask why [the racial scars for some are very deep]? From my perspective it seems that someone like Jeremiah Wright keeps picking at the scab."<BR/><BR/>That could be the case. It could also be because the original wounds were real and the result of repeated and significant blows. I don't know. That's why, really, you should get to know an "angry black man" and find out why he's so angry. Let him talk while you listen. He has a story to tell, and letting him tell it might be healing for him...and you just might learn something about being black in America.wwdunchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07037542472866679987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-3384688882622884052008-03-18T21:10:00.000-05:002008-03-18T21:10:00.000-05:002008-03-18T21:10:00.000-05:00"kinda reminds me of something called witch hunting"<BR/><BR/>Not me.<BR/><BR/>Reminds me of Romans 16:17: "Now I URGE you brothers, mark those who cause division and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve the Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flaterring speach deceive the hearts of the simple."<BR/><BR/>Seems you don't care for what the Bible says. The Word of God trumps all who speak in the pulpit, and say they speak for God.<BR/>many deceivers are in the pulpits today. And many are being deceived.<BR/><BR/>May the Lord help us mark all the false teachers, and pastors, and to avoid them. Amen.donsandshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-12025287435922432982008-03-18T18:46:00.000-05:002008-03-18T18:46:00.000-05:002008-03-18T18:46:00.000-05:00wwdunc-<BR/><BR/>"I think this points out the fact that we still have a LOT of healing to do regarding race. The scars are very deep for some people--people like Jeremiah Wright, for instance."<BR/><BR/>May I very sincerely ask why? From my perspective it seems that someone like Jeremiah Wright keeps picking at the scab. Bill Cosby's message seems much more appropriate.jsingletaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09281835002040830540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-30070956207037317862008-03-18T16:56:00.000-05:002008-03-18T16:56:00.000-05:002008-03-18T16:56:00.000-05:00yup good thinking donsands - the church's new mission: false pastor hunting (kinda reminds me of something called witch hunting - o yea, how'd that turn out?)Jeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09316664265171678106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-48628962641105473702008-03-18T15:57:00.000-05:002008-03-18T15:57:00.000-05:002008-03-18T15:57:00.000-05:00" .. contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For Certain men have crept in UNNOTICED, who long ago were marked ... ungodly men, who turn the grace of God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/>Likewise these dreamers defile the flesh , REJECT AUTHORITY, and SPEAK EVIL of dignitaries. Yet Michael the archangel in contending with the devil, ... dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, ... Woe to them! ...<BR/>These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. ... These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit." Jude 4-19<BR/><BR/>"But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, SPEAK EVIL of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption. ... For they speak great swelling words of emptiness, ... While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage." 2 Peter 2:12-19<BR/><BR/>There are many ministers of righteousness, who are ministers of the Satan, for Satan comes as an angel of light.<BR/><BR/>These are those who love themselves, and love to be up front and brag, and boast, and make loud noises.<BR/>I don't know for sure if this Mr. Wright is one of these false disciples, but he surely could be.<BR/><BR/>"Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. BUT the wisdom that is from above is first PURE, then PEACEABLE, GENTLE, WILLING TO YIELD, FULL of MERCY and GOOD FRUITS, WITHOUT PARTIALITY and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace." James 3:13-18<BR/><BR/>Some goods words to take to heart, and to judge others by. We need to mark those who are false pastors, teachers, and disciples in the Church.<BR/><BR/>And we need to, with tears, pray for those who are enemies of Jesus Christ and His Cross.donsandshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-32906340597696969732008-03-18T14:18:00.000-05:002008-03-18T14:18:00.000-05:002008-03-18T14:18:00.000-05:00JT-<BR/>No, slander find no place in the pulpit unless it's true. But for the media to broadcast his most stinging indictments is also slander, and for you to air them is slander against Rev. Wright.<BR/><BR/>He might not be the perfect pastor/preaching, but he does speak prophetically toward the empire. We as preachers are called to hold the nation accountable, to speak truth to power, and he's doing just that. Also, his South Chicago church is doing wonderful social ministries. I've seen it first hand.Jeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09316664265171678106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-25250523124253269402008-03-18T12:22:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:22:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:22:00.000-05:00Jerald,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry you feel that way.<BR/><BR/>So are you saying you agree with Rev. Wright's "prophetic sermons"? Do you think it's appropriate for a minister to perpetuate slander (like saying that the US government invented HIV to harm black people?).<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>JTJThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07870180415697038018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-72771393384541689732008-03-18T12:14:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:14:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:14:00.000-05:00jt -<BR/>your continual attack on obama is sickening. you have lost much credibility. <BR/><BR/>jerry<BR/><BR/>theologica.wordpress.comJeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09316664265171678106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-69577421139344712252008-03-18T12:11:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:11:00.000-05:002008-03-18T12:11:00.000-05:00rev. wright does something most preachers don't - preach prophetic sermons. <BR/><BR/>theologica.wordpress.comJeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09316664265171678106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-55191617712812432092008-03-17T18:27:00.000-05:002008-03-17T18:27:00.000-05:002008-03-17T18:27:00.000-05:00Jesse<BR/>Thanks for the enlightening and helpful advice, when I take up smoking anything that might muddle my thoughts I'll be sure to remember to leave the window open. Until then though perhaps you could offer some more insight into what your point was?<BR/><BR/>PhilPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924050376023993196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-18713178692730891562008-03-17T17:14:00.000-05:002008-03-17T17:14:00.000-05:002008-03-17T17:14:00.000-05:00Phil,<BR/><BR/>I suggest putting down the crack-pipe and opening up a window to let some fresh air in.<BR/><BR/>JesseJessehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15454480220422102543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-79755523794593290492008-03-17T15:41:00.000-05:002008-03-17T15:41:00.000-05:002008-03-17T15:41:00.000-05:00When Barack Obama first announced he was running and I first found out that he was a part of Trinity United Church of Christ, I told my wife, "Wait until white folks find out who Obama's pastor is; America's not ready for Jeremiah Wright!"<BR/><BR/>Wright is not an unknown religious personality. He might be unknown to white evangelicals, but I used to see him on his weekly television program here in Chicagoland and I used to hear him on his radio program on Sunday afternoons. When he talks about racism, or Republicans (or those he considers white, racist Republicans) he usually sounds just like the video excerpts that have been paraded around the web. In other words, those excerpts were not out-of-character.<BR/><BR/>I am black, but I don't agree with Wright's theology or methodology and I wouldn't be a part of any United Church of Christ, but I think people are missing the point: Wright was not preaching for whites. I would guess that Wright couldn't care less what whites think about him. He was preaching to his predominantly black congregation which he pastored for 36 years, a congregation which obviously loves him.<BR/><BR/>I think many whites would be surprised and, perhaps, shocked to know what many blacks think about a lot of issues. I think this points out the fact that we still have a LOT of healing to do regarding race. The scars are very deep for some people--people like Jeremiah Wright, for instance.wwdunchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07037542472866679987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-32279386444432173942008-03-17T14:29:00.000-05:002008-03-17T14:29:00.000-05:002008-03-17T14:29:00.000-05:00Correction-<BR/>I would be more cautious not to call Dr. Wright an "angry black man" or "an angry black middle class" Should we not be more careful with our words? Are we not supposed to speak the truth in love too?Celucien L. Josephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09420076810448552079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-51290014587668348692008-03-17T14:27:00.000-05:002008-03-17T14:27:00.000-05:002008-03-17T14:27:00.000-05:00Justin,<BR/><BR/>It is important to read Wright's statements in context. As christians, we should be fair in our evaluation of other individuals we don't always agree with. Even those we label "liberals." Obama should not be blamed for his pastors' views. Obama's close friendship with his pastor does not mean that he endorses his point of views as he clearly indicated in the media. Moreover, Wright's position on race issues and the status of black's presence in America should be taken seriously. At least, he has helped many of us to become more aware of the inner struggle, ( What Dubois calls "Divided Consciousness") resistance, yet persistance of black people in America. <BR/><BR/>I would be more cautious to call Dr. Wright an "angry black man" or "an angry middle class black" Should we not be more careful with our words? Are we not supposed to speak the truth in love too?Celucien L. Josephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09420076810448552079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-53002738418785655722008-03-17T13:45:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:45:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:45:00.000-05:00Hi Mark<BR/>I thought he said 'when America bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima no one batted an eyelid' - he was contrasting response to that over 9/11. Strong stuff, but 'treason'? To call Israel a terrorist state - strong stuff unless you're a Palestinian (Christian or otherwise), and of course Israel did become a nation state after a 'terrorist/liberation' campaign. As for KKK did he say they ran America or was he pointing out that he saw America as still under racism? To say the KKK run America is both nonsense, daft and despicable but to point out the second is none of those. I read Schaeffer's post as recommended by a previous post and I guess I agree with him.Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924050376023993196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-81499738045877411842008-03-17T13:28:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:28:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:28:00.000-05:00Phil,<BR/><BR/>I'm English and I can easily understand what 'the problem' is.<BR/><BR/>Wright has claimed that America created AIDS, deserves to be attacked because of Nagasaki, is run by the KKK, and offers support for a 'terrorist' state (Israel). He calls down curses on the USA, because 'they' dehumanize black people.<BR/><BR/>He obviously has an unreasoning, blind hatred of his country. Do these sound remotely like thoughtful critiques to you?Mark Pendrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16705428441316701050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-49865672985840725832008-03-17T13:21:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:21:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:21:00.000-05:00JT:<BR/><BR/>I sense a certain fear of Obama behind the "useful" posts you continue to make regarding Obama, himself a Christian. <BR/><BR/>If you don't want Obama to be your next President, that's fine. But this kind of guilt by association stuff really doesn't help your cause. And Obama's response to Wright's comments couldn't be clearer, yet there is no approbation of his response, only the incessant drumbeat of how much a problem Wright has become for Obama. <BR/><BR/>Perfect love casts out fear. Where's the love?Mr. Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04497887865730524026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-20654314813662393162008-03-17T12:53:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:53:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:53:00.000-05:00I see that Franky Schaeffer has weighed in on this writing in The Huffington Post, comparing Jeremiah Wrights' comments to that of his own father.<BR/><BR/>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.htmlSheenahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09390927401258610304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-17511166792542731132008-03-17T12:52:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:52:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:52:00.000-05:00Hi, I'm a Brit and I was wondering whether someone could explain to me quite what the problem is? Was it Wright's 'God Damn America' for in some areas of it's policy treating some of its citizens in a less than fair way? Was it his questioning of the disconnection between America's response to 9/11 and it's reaction to atrocities elsewhere in the world? <BR/><BR/>I would hazard a guess that a majority of Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia may well say something similar. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if we were to air some of the rhetoric of preachers about abortion, and clip it with some rhetoric about homosexuals whether it wouldn't come across in exactly the same way just from a different political and theological agenda? <BR/><BR/>Looking forward to being enlightened, as these European ears clearly aren't hearing the same things...Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924050376023993196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-6785508324719849032008-03-17T12:12:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:12:00.000-05:002008-03-17T12:12:00.000-05:00The church aperson attends, and is committed to says much of who that person is.<BR/><BR/>Obama and his wife liked this pastor and his church, and they were members for 20 years.<BR/>that says a lot to me.<BR/><BR/>But what says more is he is now trying to say he didn't really know how this pastor was, and not only the pastor, but the whole congragtion gets all fired up when this crazy man starts saying things that are basically stupid.<BR/><BR/>He's not a pastor of Jesus Christ. He doesn't speak the truth in love. He's not feeding and tending the sheep of the Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>Obama also believes abortion is a good thing, so women can kill their unwanted babies, and not have their rights violated.<BR/>I wonder does the pastor know this, or perhaps even agrees with Obama.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post. The truth will not be hidden. Jesus said don't be afraid of these people, because everything that is covered will be revealed, and everything hidden made manifest.donsandshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8194673.post-78371565829246263722008-03-17T11:39:00.000-05:002008-03-17T11:39:00.000-05:002008-03-17T11:39:00.000-05:00<B>Send this video to others:</B> <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm-zKG2i8Ec&feature=PlayList&p=0DE44E1DC2436C44&index=0&playnext=1" REL="nofollow">Shame On Joe Scarborough, MSM &amp; Obama the way they reacted to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermon about 9/11Part 1</A><BR/> The American people don't deserve to be manipulated and lied toTomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09958518516826154703noreply@blogger.com