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Monday, July 10, 2006

Packer Tidbits

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Dr. Packer tries to walk 10-15 miles a week--usually for at least an hour at a time. He turns 80 years old on July 22.

He also recently had succesful cataracts surgery. The last time I was with him his eyesight was very poor. But his vision is now 20/20--something his unbelieving doctor, unprompted, labeled as a "miracle." He now only needs glasses for reading. He hasn't seen this well in over 70 years. Praise God for the cultural mandate and for his healing graces.

He considers his work on the ESV translation (he was the general editor of the Translation Oversight Committee) to be the most important contribution he has made to the kingdom, and he regards the publication of the ESV as the biggest milestone in the last 100 years of Bible translation history.

He mentioned to me that at the end of J.I. Packer: A Biography, McGrath struggles with how to label Packer. Instead of "theologian," McGrath settles on "theologizer." But Packer regards himself most properly as a "catechist." This is explained in his new book on Praying (p. 9): "J. I. sees himself as a traveler on Bunyan's pilgrim path, and as a theologian (which is J. I.'s public identity) he sees himself as a catechist, one who teaches Christian basics to new believers and adult inquirers, seeking both viva voce [by speaking] and by writing to make and mature disciples of Jesus Christ."

(He thinks that McGrath mainly got things right in the biography. The one shortcoming, he suggested, was that McGrath doesn't portray Packer's humor. Packer loves to laugh and often has a twinkle in his eye, and I get the sense he wished that had been portrayed more in the volume.)

He mentioned how struck he was by the comment once made by G. Campbell Morgan (d. 1945), who remarked that he wouldn't expound a book of the Bible until he'd read it through 40 times. Inspired by that comment, Packer read the book of Hebrews through 10 times in a row in one sitting. That event, he said, was a watershed moment for him, and he'd like to encourage once again the lost habit of reading whole biblical books at a time.

"The more I go on," he said, "the more I appreciate [John] Owen." He loves Owen because Owen was "so systematically God-centered." He pointed to the reality of God. He regards Edwards and Owen as the twins at the head of the pack--though personally he thinks Owen was the best theologian.

On a personal note, a few things that stood out to me were (1) his incredible memory--citing detailed information on the Puritans, dates, personal recollections, etc; (2) his kindness and graciousness and humility--especially with people who approach him to convey their gratitude; (3) his personal interest in people--one quickly senses that he cares for each person he meets and wants them to feel loved; (4) his deep concern and sadness over the Anglican communion and the virtually inevitable upcoming split over the "gay way"; (5) the way in which he loves to fellowship over a good meal with friends talking about theology--he suggests few things in life are more enjoyable than that.

He is praying for five more years of good, productive writing. I'm sure he would be deeply thankful for your prayers in this regard.

One final note: from what I can tell, very few people know that Packer's shorter writings have been collected in four volumes by Paternoster. They are:

Honouring the People of God

Serving the People of God

Celebrating the Saving Work of God

Honouring the Written Word of God

I highly recommend these four volumes.

13 Comments:

Blogger Glennsp said...

Oh well, thats another 4 books I will have to get.
It is good to hear how J I Packer really views the ESV and his contribution to it. On certain other blogs the impression is given that he is not as sure as he actually is.
5 more years of writing, excellent, I look forward to the fruit of those years.

7/11/2006 04:59:00 AM  
Blogger Ray Van Neste said...

Thanks for this. It was very encouraging and challenging. It is great to get the opportunity to come alongside such men and see them personally.
And the collected shorter writigns are indeed great volumes!

7/11/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it just me, or has everyone lost site of the horrific impact ECT, with Packer's involvement, made on the church? We should not be looking at this man as a Christian leader!
Are we lovers of Chirst and truth or lovers of men?

7/11/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Sam S said...

My friend and I used to joke that J. I. Packer was not a genuine person, but a figment of the Christian book publishing industry’s imagination. There was a time when virtually every book had a J. I. Packer endorsement on it. To have his endorsement was equivalent to the USDA’s stamp to certify quality meat. Without the stamp, you would never touch the meat. Well, we just couldn’t dream of one man engulfing and then writing about so many books. But, the man is real, genuine, and truly the Lord’s gift to the Church.

Thanks Justin for your insights into this man wholly devoted to the Lord.

7/11/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Glennsp said...

anonymous, J I Packers books are judged on there merit, not on whether the writer has never made a mistake.
I am no supporter of the ECT and I think it is a great mistake on the part of all those involved, just so we are clear.
I will nonetheless buy the four books in question and, just as I do with every book I read, I will read it as a Berean.
The contributions that J I Packer has made to theology and Evangelicalism over the decades are not wiped out because of his misguided support of ECT.
I am equally looking forward to his new book.
Oh yes, as to the 'horrific impact' you refer to, well lets just say that it would have got there all on its own (the 'church' that is) with or without ECT.
Also J I Packer puts his name to what he writes unlike yourself who spouts judgement whilst hiding behind anonymity.

7/11/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Josh said...

Thank you so much for sharing your time with Packer with us. Your posts on your time with him are so cool to read. I mean, how many people out there have a better view of God once reading "Knowing God"? How neat to know the mannishness of Packer in light of his scholarship and ministry!

7/11/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Nick said...

Justin, I am about as envious of you as I can possibly be. So much time one on one with Packer! And yes, those 4 books of his collected shorter writings are worth there weight in gold. Get them.

7/11/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger peter lumpkins said...

Thank you for the "inside" look at a living theology legend, my Brother. Grace. With that, I am...

Peter

7/11/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Stan said...

Justin,
Thanks for the update on a great Christian writer. I was also concerned about ECT, but I won't forever hold it against him. Does anyone have any confirmation or truth to a rumor I heard that Packer may be considering going along with John Stott on the doctrine of annihilation of the wicked, instead of eternal hell?

Stan

7/12/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger JT said...

Stan,

I don't think that's true. Here is Packer's view on the debate:

http://www.the-highway.com/annihilationism_Packer.html

JT

7/12/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Nick said...

Where did you hear the rumor that Packer was moving towards Stott's position on hell? He has been very vocal in what he has published against it. I would be shocked if he has changed his mind.

7/12/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Stan said...

Thanks JT and Nick,

As a former Seventh-day Adventist, now fully Reformed, I have also considered the possibility that there may be a case made for annihilation. So, on another forum for former SDAs, someone thought they heard this rumor.

Stan

7/12/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

And I would note...

He loves good Jazz!

I met Packer in Dallas a few years ago and got to sit next to him. We went out to lunch with some newcomers to our little Episcopal church and had a great chat. Somehow in that hour Packer and I summed up more theology (catechism?) for a young woman than she had learned her whole life. Plus he agreed when I recommended any books by Crossway.

Scott
http://anglicanevangelical.blogspot.com/

7/17/2006 11:05:00 PM  

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