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Tuesday, February 22, 2005

The Emergent Church

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Greg Koukl says that Brian McLaren was recently "dis-invited" to an evangelism conference. Koukl agrees with the decision, calling the Emergent Church movement "the most theologically corrosive view/movement/trend in a long time."

The Emergent Church is the practical outworking of the Postconservative Vision. The former is the ecclesiastical manifestation; the latter is the academic version. Our book Reclaiming the Center primarily focused upon the academic side of the issues. For further explanation of what these movements are, who their leaders are, and why this is important, you can see my introductory chapter. For an alternative vision of the direction the church and the academy should be going, see Millard Erickson's chapter on "Flying in Theological Fog." I'm grateful for the kind works of Scott Oliphant (apologetics professor at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia), who writes that "This is a book, perhaps the main or only book, that one needs to read in order to ferret out the primary problems of postconservatism that face evangelicalism currently."

Again, our book doesn't focus upon McLaren and Emergent as much as it does upon Grenz and Postconservatism. For those who want to learn more about the former, I'd recommend checking out Don Carson's forthcoming book Becoming Conversant with Emergent. This book is based on a series of lectures Carson gave at Cedarville College. Based upon those lectures, those within Emergent have been highly critical of Carson's take. (See, for example, this critique by a professor in attendance. For more responses--positive and negative--see here.) Before moving on, let me make four quick comments about such criticism: (1) Just because we might highly respect someone like Carson, we shouldn't assume that he always gets it right--hence, we should listen to the critics, even if we agree in the main with Carson. (2) Some critics need to remember the nature of a summary lecture. It's not a dissertation. Generalizations are part of the genre. A broad lecture or book cannot always contain every nuance. (3) In my experience, too many proponents of Emergent, Open Theism, and the New Perspective on Paul claim "No one understands us!" I'd say in response: "No, some understand you quite well, you just don't like the critique." (I'm not equating these three movements by any means, but I do think that all three have revised some historic language, spoken in confusing terms or categories, and think that unless you agree with them you simply don't understand them.) (4) Some Emergent proponents seem to have the notion that if only a critic would talk to them, they would understand. And if you don't talk to them first, you aren't being biblical or charitable. In response, I'd say that this is often wise--but not required. If something is published or said in the public sphere, it's entirely appropriate to publicly critique or respond, without talking first to every single person you criticize. Emergent proponents need to be careful not to advocate a naive "everything-I-need-to-know-I-learned-in-Kindegarten" approach to theological debate.

The book to watch for, though, will be R. Scott Smith's Emerging or Submerging: Postmodernism in the Church. (Smith is an ethics and apologetics professor at Biola.) He contributed a great chapter to Reclaiming the Center. He is a brilliant guy with a pastoral heart. Two of the chapters have been posted online. I'm not certain when the book will be out, but I'll let you know when I hear a definite word.

Finally, on March 6 and March 13 the Reformed fellas at the White Horse Inn will be interviewing McLaren, Grenz, and others on the Emergent Church.

Update: Dr. Smith's book will be published by Crossway Books in September. It will be entitled Truth and the New Kind of Christian: Accessing the Emerging Effects of Postmodernism in the Church.

11 Comments:

Blogger Josh S. said...

This was helpful, thank you for tackling this.

I have also noticed, like you said, “many proponents of Emergent, Open Theism, and the New Perspective on Paul claim ‘No one understands us!' "

I find that frustrating, especially when they say (for instance, I have read people say this about Piper), “Nope! He still doesn’t get it. :)” regarding NPP. It strikes me as “we’re elite and know what it is all about, and nobody understands what we believe (except Wright, of course).” I find it immature and ridiculous, and it really bothers me.

That being said, you’re response “No, some understand you quite well, you just don't like the critique” is exactly what I’ve thought every time I hear people complain!

2/22/2005 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff Downs said...

Uhggg. You have not idea (well maybe you do) how this thinking is infecting various areas of Christianity. In my own circles (Countercult apologetics) there are some who are going this very way. And just as Josh has stated, when you critique their material, the come back is that you don't fully understand their position - see keep reading.

How frustrating! Carson, Erikson, Koukl, Oliphint, yourself, etc... all these great theologian are just missing the boat. I think not.

2/23/2005 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger Bill Arnold said...

My experience has been that critics often really don't understand some of what thinkers in the emerging church are saying.

If people want to critique material coming out of the emerging church, that's fine. I think what has bothered many from the emerging church is that critics don't appear to have read the material. I'm not speaking of what people like Carson or Erickson are saying. I'm talking about some of what I read online.

2/24/2005 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger Bill Arnold said...

I just read your introduction. I'm definitely interested to read it.

You wrote:
"Our desire is not merely to debate, but to enter into dialogue; not only to denounce, but to accurately and charitably describe; not only to critique, but to learn."

When I read the rest of your chapter descriptions, however, I didn't see a lot of references to dialogue, charitable descriptions, or ways that you and your colleagues have learned from Grenz and Franke.

Granted, I haven't read the book yet. I hope to soon. I just have to wonder, is the description I quoted above really fair? Can you point to some positive things that you have learned from your postconservative friends "across the aisle?"

2/24/2005 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Dignan said...

Thought you might like to see this post I just wrote about Emergent. I was a bit amused to see one of your commenters complain that critics of Emergent often don't really understand Emergent thinkers. I think that is because Emergent thinkers don't want people to know what they believe.

http://lawnrangers.blogspot.com/2005/02/continuing-emergent-conversation.html

2/26/2005 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Zane Anderson said...

Hi Justin,

Many proponents of "emergent" include house churches in their grand scheme, which are also highly diversified. But many of these would distance themselves from certain "emergent" themes, in fact.

As you wrote: "A broad lecture or book cannot always contain every nuance."

Well said, brother.

May the things which are true become "emergent" as error is exposed.

4/11/2005 12:32:00 AM  
Blogger G.J. said...

recent long interview/dialogue with Brian McLaren:
http://www.newpantagruel.com/issues/2.3/who_has_the_last_word_an_inte.php

9/23/2005 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Nancy A said...

This was a very thoughtful and well laid-out argument.

However, I can't help wondering if the opponents of the emergent church and all types of church innovation just want to protect their fiefdoms.

Christianity changes. It always has. I say thank God we are no longer like the very early Christians, who were apocalyptic and violent. Thank God we are no longer like the medieval Christians and their power struggles over popes, their inquisitions, their mass murders in the name of God. Thank God we are not like the Victorian Christians, with their racism and xenophobia and mean-spirited morality. The orthodoxies and rules-and-regs of those days have mercifully perished with those people. What is orthodoxy now was emerging church back then.

If Christianity is indeed drifting in these directions, then it will continue to drift there. I have a great deal of faith that Someone is leading this process of growth, and that our job is to have faith and follow

1/18/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous David Kowalski said...

I appreciate your position on the emerging church movement. I have written a lengthy critique of the movement that can be found at http://www.apologeticsindex.org/290-emerging-church

David Kowalski

7/17/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger Darren said...

It has been discussed in many a forum, book and coffee shop that Carson's critique of the Emerging/Emergent movement demonstrates a lack of familiarity with the movement- as it actually exists.

If you want to gain academic and brotherly credibility then please accurately portary the movement before you go about critiquing it.

Interviews with Brian McLaren for further study:
http://www.precipicemagazine.com/brian-mclaren-conversation.html

http://www.precipicemagazine.com/brian-mclaren-interview.htm

9/03/2007 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger 7K said...

I've already read Carson and numerous other critics and I'm just not impressed. I recently read the Barna study, UnChristian, and it lays out research on "outsiders" and how they perceive the church. Many fundamentalists probably feel kind of self-righteous and good when they are critically perceived by outsiders: like it is a stamp of their authority.

But I don't get these kinds of vibes from "emergent" believers. I honestly think that this is the direction the Holy Spirit is heading with the church. Wow! Wouldn't it be incredible if we actually loved one another rather than grab our "scriptural" cannons and bomb anybody that doesn't agree with us. I'm afraid, if this is the case, we do not yet know what we ought to know.

2/25/2008 04:17:00 PM  

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