David Powlison on Bob Newhart's "Stop It!" Sketch
16 comments | Permalink(Please note: the most recent conference for CCEF [Christian Counseling and Education Foundation] was on the related theme of fear, worry, and the rest of God. MP3s will be available soon at the CCEF website.)
by David Powlison
Newhart’s wit also creates a perfect foil for understanding the contrast between what our world offers and the riches of biblical counseling. Here are a half dozen contrasts:
1. The Bible gives a vision for lifelong transformation and mutual aid – as well as for the 5-minute moment of insight, or the 5-week and 5-month seasons of change, or the 5-year unfolding movement of progressive transformation and deepening. “Encourage one another daily, as long as it is called ‘Today,’ that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.” The encouragements of the gospel of grace meet us again and again. They are always new-to-you in some way. Yet they always embrace the Christ who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
2. Our Father never simply says “Stop it!” to the Katherine Bigmans or anyone else. He knows we can’t change on our own. We have a living Savior, who died to give us mercy and lives to give us grace in times of need. The Word willingly became flesh and dwelt among us. We simply are not able to “Just say No.” If we happen to say No to one self-destructive behavior, our self-absorption will merely express itself in another, perhaps less obvious, form of self-destruction. Jesus sympathizes with our weaknesses. He was tempted in all ways as we are, yet without sin. We need help from outside ourselves – and he helps. On our own, sins and miseries are fundamentally inescapable. The fear of being buried alive, the compulsion to self-induced vomiting, and the instinct to pursue destructive relationships are certainly first-order human miseries, confusions, and sins. Our Father’s “Stop” always comes with lots of ways, reasons, and help to “Go.”
4. Human responsibility is never by oneself and to oneself. It is always relational. For example, like all therapists, Dr. Phil meets with men and women whose lives are tragically wrong-headed and tragically alone. He, like Bob Newhart, sees the wrong-headedness. It’s easy to see that something’s wrong. But he doesn’t see – can’t see – that the person inhabits the barren-universe-of-self. The real world overflows with God and with opportunities to love others. But when you watch Dr. Phil counsel or when you meet with strugglers, that essential, desperate aloneness will break your heart. God awakens us first to see that we are not alone, drifting across an uncharted sea. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,” now and always.
5. To bluntly confront such a frightened struggler violates the ABCs of biblical wisdom: “comfort the faint-hearted, hold on to the weak, be patient with them all.”If Katherine Bigman were a conscienceless serial adulterer, filled with self-righteous bitterness, and aggressively blameshifing others for all her problems… then she’d be a candidate for “admonish the unruly.” But she presents herself as confused and needy. You’ll respond appropriately. Of course, warning and moral exhortation are facets of comprehensive wisdom. But biblical admonishment is premised on entirely different assumptions than the accusatory severities of a Dr. Phil. You hold out an entirely different hope for change. You are never hectoring. You never deliver personal threats. You never cast a person back on his or her own resources, as if flesh might tame unruly flesh. And you always hold out offers of mercy and hope to those who begin to take seriously what they look like to God. You always invite another person out of a life of futility and into a life positively worth living.
And so forth. Don’t ever think that biblical counseling is just CBT dolled up with some Bible verses. And “Stop it!” if you ever treat people that way! Wisdom is a wonderfully different creature. When our Father stops us from doing something wrong, he always starts us walking along a delightfully different path.



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Justin, thanks for this. I love the sketch and I really appreciate you asking Dr. Powlinson for his thoughts, and sharing them here!
Justin, I have to say I'm somewhat confused. Are you and/or David Powlison really taking a MadTV sketch as an adequate representation of cognitive-behavioral therapy? Doesn't that seem like a fairly blatant "straw man" argument?
Also, several of my friends are Christian psychologists and point out that Dr. Laura and Dr. Phil are also quite shallow commercializations of "pop" cognitive-behavioral therapy. I think we're right to react negatively toward their shows, but they really can't be taken as representative of the CBT therapy modality.
As I understand it, CBT has been proven to be decidedly successful in treating symptoms of anxiety and clinical depression, something for which Biblical counseling alone is unfortunately not very effective. However, I do think Biblical counseling can play a great role in addressing the causes of those disorders, an area that CBT specifically chooses not to enter into.
"Go and sin no more." "Be perfect." And "I cannot do what I ought." Are all true for the Christian. It is our life story while in this present world. Those that realize this live with compassion toward others.
Hi Justin.
Thanks for the kind gift of bringing the wise counsel of David Powlison to us through your blog.
I minister for 30 hours a week as a biblical/professional counselor. I often struggle with my peers who counsel as "Christian Counselors", but who don't pray with their counselees or use the bible contextually much in their counseling. I struggle just as much with pastors and friends who in the name of "Biblical Counseling" often lack real curiosity, compassion, mercy, and grace as they are passionate about speaking the truth to those they counsel.
I am reminded of an old quote which says, "They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care."
When someone shares a life struggle with us, are we curious at all as to the overall life story of the individual? Are we aware of what is going on inside us as the person shares their struggle? Are we quoting bible verses rapid fire and giving advice too quickly (possibly because we are uncertain as to what to say, so we'd better say something spiritual)?
Yes,outside of a medical issue, the bottom line of a person's struggle will come down to unbelief, pride, fear of man, idolatry, or other sins. But if we cut to the chase too quickly, we may feel better, but the person in front of us who is hurting, confused, or discouraged may walk away feeling what King David felt in Psalm 142, "There is no one who cares for my soul." The word compassion literally means "Com" (with) "Passion" (suffering). Are we willing to "suffer with" those who are struggling, and truly wait for the Holy Spirit to give us the words to speak?
Let us be compassionate, Christ-like Soul Care ministers, who are "quick to listen, and slow to speak".
Hi Justin,
I recently had the privilege of having David Powlison as a lecturer, though I live nowhere near PA, through CCEF's distance education program. I found his teaching, and CCEF's overall approach to be Biblical, gospel focussed, and transforming both for my own life and for how I serve others. I would highly recommend the course to Christians wanting to better encourage others through their local church. See http://ccef.org/distance_ed.asp for details.
I was a classmate of David but unfortunately not a personal friend, wish I would have gotten to know him. But I read his stuff and am so encouraged. This clip, and his comments are priceless, thanks Justin
"As I understand it, CBT has been proven to be decidedly successful in treating symptoms of anxiety and clinical depression, something for which Biblical counseling alone is unfortunately not very effective. However, I do think Biblical counseling can play a great role in addressing the causes of those disorders, an area that CBT specifically chooses not to enter into."
Could I ask Elliot if he has ever read "objectively" any Biblical counseling books or articles from guys like Powlison or Ed Welch? I don't want to guess or make an uncharitable judgement my friend but I have a feeling that all you know of these men is what you've heard via your psychologists friends who I'm guessing aren't Biblical counseling fans.
As sinners incapable of doing good prior to conversion, so much of this makes sense, but frankly we need to be holding Christian brothers and sisters and ourselves to a higher standard as the old truly has gone and the new has come.
This is not to say that we don't struggle with sin, but accepting the struggling and not anticipating and *working* toward a change isn't a biblical approach. While the idea of "meeting people where they are" can help us be relational as we should, leaving people there and not telling them that the Holy Sprit within them has empowered God-inaugurated change can block people from realizing that in many things the power has already been given. They may now simply just "stop it"--praise be to God.
-Matt
Elliot -- I don't think that anyone would argue that there are techniques from psychology that will help to change someone's behavior. But as you wrote, we need biblical counseling to deal with the root causes of these problems. Why just treat depression with a brain-altering pill when we can instead deal with the root issue and watch the depression change into joy in one's salvation and relationship with the Lord?
Matt:
...the power has already been given. They may now simply just "stop it
This sounds a little like a "name-it-claim-it" gospel of holiness. Yes, we have been "granted all things that pertain to life and godliness", but these things come not by taking hold of the power that is within us, but "through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence".
Good counselors are ministers of the Word who lead us to an increasing knowledge of Christ and of abiding in him.
Whether "biblical", "secular" or "pop" the extreme emphasis on counseling & therapy in the church has a serious down side. This is true even for the most conservative breeds, such as the various types of non-intergrationism and NANC. The biblical counseling movement in the church has created a culture of "free therapy" which feeds the narcissistic tendencies of American Christians. This movement, which was a reaction to psychology making its way into the church, has been built upon a singular Greek term noutheteo and is labeled discipleship to calm the fears of those who might question its place. But, is it biblical? I know that seems a strange question to ask, but think about it. Are counseling and discipleship synonymous? Where is there a biblical example of the type of narcissism which prevails in the examples of counseling we see offered as proof of its need? This is not to say there has to be one to justify it, but the effects of the emphasis seem to go in the opposite direction of self-lessness and service to others taught by our Lord.
@ Joshua
I actually am a fan of good deal of what Biblical Counseling does. One of my friends has a degree in biblical counseling, and my grandparents were biblical counselors for many years. And I’ve read the articles on Biblical Counseling that Justin has posted, among others.
In terms of objectivity, to the best of my ability I’ve objectively considered both Biblical Counseling and cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) by reading and speaking with advocates of each view. And I believe that an objective perspective would admit that each method has clear areas of strengths and weaknesses.
I meant to write much more, but I'll have to leave it at that for now, since I've just seen that David Powlison himself responded to my comment.
11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Paul (Romans 6:11-14, ESV)
11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Paul (Romans 6:11-14, ESV)
"Go and sin no more."
That's pretty much a "Stop It!", is it not?
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