Piper Address to ETS on Justification
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Last night at the Evangelical Theological Society John Piper delivered a lecture to a packed house on Christ's justifying work (audio and manuscript). I highly recommend it.
Update: The video is online also.
Update: The video is online also.
posted by JT at Thursday, November 15, 2007
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This was very good. Dr. Piper is a model of a minister who seeks to combine exegetical carefulness, theological depth and breadth, a pastor's care for souls and for the church, and a grateful believer's passion to live for God's glory out of his amazement for God's grace.
Was there any q&a time or interaction with the crowd?
It's a great message! Thanks for the link
JT,
Have you read Paul Rainbow's "the way of salvation" and/or Alan Stanley's "did Jesus teach salvation by works?" I would be interested in hearing Piper and others respond to these works specifically since they are the most recent and substantive contributions to this discussion from "within the camp" of protestant evangelicalism. Of course people will debate whether or not they are in fact "in that camp," but they are coming from ETS members. For this reason I find it strange that there hasn't been much talk about these books, though maybe that's because they're academic and exegetical and not on the popular level. But then again neither was piper's recent "future of justification."
I thought this was very thoughtful especially when it comes to counseling. People need to be reminded again what and or who are they living for.
A question that I have wrestled with: Once we accept Christ's perfect obedience through faith, and God now sees us through the lens of that imputation, what happens to His omniscient ability to see all sin? The emphasis of my question for lack of a better phrase, but for hopeful efficiency, lies in the word "sees." Does He see the sin that still exists? From what I understand, the doctrine of imputation teaches no: He now "sees" Christ's perfect obedience. If this is so, where, in a sense, does it (the "falling short" that will occur for the rest of my life, which Paul addresses in Phil 3:12) go? I assume the general response would be, it is absorbed into the Cross. I can understand that only in terms of forgiveness.
Right now, when i sin, and God looks down on me, what does he see?
Wishing to clarify at the risk of asking another different question:
How can God see Christ's perfect righteousness on us, and still hold a judgement which determines whether Christ's perfect righteousness was/is on us?
Piper makes several references to Doug Moo's talk earlier in the day.
Is Moo's talk (or manuscript) available on line?
bryan l:
I was at Piper's address at ETS. There was no q & a time nor interaction with the crowd while Piper was giving the address. Some people came up to him afterward when he finished.
Thanks Steve.
It was captivating. Dr. Piper's address had, I am almost certain, more people at it than any other meeting or address the whole of ETS. That says a lot to anyone listening. It speaks both to Piper's influence as well as the importance of this issue. It was captivating; I lost track of time, and this was after a full day of hearing papers. I commend Crossway for putting on that lecture (and for giving away the book at the meeting!).
Barry
Justin, not sure where one can submit a link, but here goes ... a professor at Indiana Wesleyan University is blogging his way chapter-by-chapter through Piper's new book. It's an interesting step inside that Arminian world. http://kenschenck.blogspot.com/
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