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Monday, March 17, 2008

Rev. Wright and Obama

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Just a quick post here on Barack Obama and his spiritual adviser/former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The Obamas have been members of his church in good standing for 20 years; Rev. Wright married them; he baptized their children; he inspired the title for Obama's The Audacity of Hope; he was serving on Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee, etc.

Here's the story that set off the firestorm:



In short, this is a major, major, major problem for Obama. If it doesn't cost him the Democratic nomination, I think it may very well cost him the general election.

Obama has denounced and repudiated these statements, saying that he wasn't in attendance when they were made.

You would expect conservatives to see this as a problem.

Here's Victor Davis Hanson (the whole post is well worth reading):
So the question will simply be left to the American voter:

EITHER: 'Obama probably knew what was going on at Trinity, but, given the complex circumstances and Obama’s other strengths, it doesn’t matter enough to affect my vote;'

OR: 'Obama’s attendance and his feeble reaction to the criticism of Wright provide a valuable warning of why someone so inexperienced and yet so familiar with extremists should not be President of the United States next year.' It's left to the electorate, as it should be.
But liberals are seeing it as a big deal, too. Here's Michael Crowley, the senior editor for the left-of-center The New Republic:
There are two separate issues here. One is political, and that one's not too ambiguous: This is really bad news for Obama, both in the primary and if he makes it to the general. He's worked successfully to escape the image of the "angry black man," and here he is linked to that image in the most emotionally searing way.

The second issue is how we should feel, normatively, about the fact that Obama maintained ties with Wright, even after presumably realizing that he held views Obama now calls deplorable. I'm not prepared to render judgment on that here. But I do worry that this lays bare a very grim truth: That even middle-class black American culture is more angry and alienated than most whites understand, and that our country is simply not yet at the point where even an ostensibly post-racial black candidate can escape that dynamic entirely. (Indeed not only was Wright perfectly acceptable to Obama and his Chicago circle, but it seems likely that it would have been difficult for Obama to separate himself from the preacher had he wanted to, lest he be accused of not being an "authentic" member of the south side black community.) In other words, what's happening here is far bigger than the particulars of Obama and Wright, it's about cultural dissonance that was going to bubble up one way or another. And as a colleague put it to me today, in terms I hope are too pessimistic: "It makes me think it's going to be at least another generation before we see a black man elected president." If Obama can prove him wrong then he really may be a world-historical figure.

And here is Obama supporter Gerald Possner, writing at the Huffington Post:
If the parishioners of Trinity United Church were not buzzing about Reverend Wright's post 9/11 comments, then it could only seem to be because those comments were not out of character with what he preached from the pulpit many times before. In that case, I have to wonder if it is really possible for the Obamas to have been parishioners there -- by 9/11 they were there more than a decade -- and not to have known very clearly how radical Wright's views were. If, on the other hand, parishioners were shocked by Wright's vitriol only days after more than 3,000 Americans had been killed by terrorists, they would have talked about it incessantly. Barack -- a sitting Illinois State Senator -- would have been one of the first to hear about it.

Can't you imagine the call or conversation? "Barack, you aren't going to believe what Revered Wright said yesterday at the church. You should be ready with a comment if someone from the press calls you up."

But Barack now claims he never heard about any of this until after he began his run for the presidency, in February, 20007.

And even if Barack is correct -- and I desperately want to believe him -- then it still does not explain why, when he learned in 2007 of Wright's fringe comments about 9/11 and other subjects, the campaign did not then disassociate itself from the Reverend. Wright was not removed from the campaign's Spiritual Advisory Committee until two days ago, and it appears likely that nothing would have been done had this story not broken nationally.

Come on, Barack. I'm backing you because you are not 'one of them.' You have inspired me and millions of others because you are not a typical politician. You tell it like it is, don't fudge the facts, and don't dodge and weave with clever words to avoid uncomfortable truths.

Tell it straight. Was Reverend Wright so radical that his post 9/11 comments did not cause a stir at the Church, and you never learned about them until 2007, nearly 6 years later? Why, when you did learn about them, did you not ask Revered Wright to step down from his role in your campaign?

Give us the plain truth. You won't lose us by being brutally honest. You only risk shaking our faith in you if you seem like so many other politicians that crowd the field.

35 Comments:

Blogger Ian said...

Just a quick correction: it's Victor Davis Hanson, not Hamilton. :)

3/17/2008 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger JPS said...

This is ridiculous. Why does it matter what his pastor said, especially since Obama has already come out and said that he "vehemently disagree[s] and strongly condemn[s]" his pastor's statements?

Should people be going to McCain or Romney's church to find something embarrassing their pastors say? And if they do, who cares?

I don't see what the big deal is. So Obama doesn't agree with his crazy pastor. It's just another example of the media drawing attention to something because it's sensational. It's making an issue of something that's a non-issue.

Here is Obama's response, by the way:

"The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He’s drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

3/17/2008 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger Grace Baptist Church, Somerset, KY said...

JPS, Why does it matter?!?! This man has been, by Obama's own admission a very influential person in his life. It is not like he has only had casual contact with this person. This man is spouting racist and anti-American rhetoric and he, until 2 days ago, was on Obama's "Spiritual Advisory Council." Give me a break!

Should it be discovered that Hillary, or McCain attend a church where such things are regularly expounded, then yes that needs to be made known. Obama's response is classic too little and too late. It's not like he just heard about it 2 days ago.

And some of the liberal pundits have tried to say this is the same thing as McCain, dropping by and speaking one time at BJU. I don't think so . . . I think that is classic political smoke, nothing more.

3/17/2008 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Bernabe Belvedere said...

JPS, do you agree that Rev. Wright is an irresponsible choice for a pastor?

3/17/2008 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Queue said...

JPS,

This is why it matters. Verse 40 is key but I give the rest for context:

37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; 38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."

39He also told them a parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. 41 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

Further, why should we believe his repudiation of the comments when he has been in the church for 20 years and still saw fit to have him so close as a mentor?

I will not be one that discounts all of Rev. Wright's work over the years because of this, however, for democrats to so vehemently oppose the mixing of "church and state" it seems hypocritical to not call out Rev. Wright and Obama (by association) for blatantly preaching politics. There is no such thing as a spiritual life that does not affect your political or public life. That kind of "spirituality" or "faith" is simply dead.

3/17/2008 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Jake said...

Obviously there are huge political ramifications here, but from a Christian standpoint there's a bigger problem. See my blog for more.

3/17/2008 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Jb1125 said...

Why not consider the remarks that Obama said back in his first book that he was inspired to go to this church? The "Audacity to Hope" sermon: http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/14/rev_jeremiah_wright’s_hope_speech

Don't reduce a thirty years of being a pastor to five soundbytes.

3/17/2008 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger Edna said...

This man was Obama's pastor for over 20 years. Obama chose him to perform his wedding ceremony and to baptise his children. He used a quote from him as the title of his book. He put him on his campaign's religious advisory board and left him there. This man was the man Obama credits with bringing him to Christianity. In short, this man is far more than a campaign supporter, he is Obama's spiritual leader, his mentor! And he is a divisive hate monger. So much for Obama's "new politics" of moving beyond what divides us and into what unifies us. It is all just campaign slogans that are the exact opposite of the REALITY of Barack Obama. I pray for my country that this man does NOT become the nominee of my party, let alone president of the United States of America.

3/17/2008 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Tom said...

Send this video to others: Shame On Joe Scarborough, MSM & Obama the way they reacted to Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermon about 9/11Part 1
The American people don't deserve to be manipulated and lied to

3/17/2008 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger donsands said...

The church aperson attends, and is committed to says much of who that person is.

Obama and his wife liked this pastor and his church, and they were members for 20 years.
that says a lot to me.

But what says more is he is now trying to say he didn't really know how this pastor was, and not only the pastor, but the whole congragtion gets all fired up when this crazy man starts saying things that are basically stupid.

He's not a pastor of Jesus Christ. He doesn't speak the truth in love. He's not feeding and tending the sheep of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Obama also believes abortion is a good thing, so women can kill their unwanted babies, and not have their rights violated.
I wonder does the pastor know this, or perhaps even agrees with Obama.

Thanks for the post. The truth will not be hidden. Jesus said don't be afraid of these people, because everything that is covered will be revealed, and everything hidden made manifest.

3/17/2008 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger Phil said...

Hi, I'm a Brit and I was wondering whether someone could explain to me quite what the problem is? Was it Wright's 'God Damn America' for in some areas of it's policy treating some of its citizens in a less than fair way? Was it his questioning of the disconnection between America's response to 9/11 and it's reaction to atrocities elsewhere in the world?

I would hazard a guess that a majority of Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia may well say something similar.

I wonder if we were to air some of the rhetoric of preachers about abortion, and clip it with some rhetoric about homosexuals whether it wouldn't come across in exactly the same way just from a different political and theological agenda?

Looking forward to being enlightened, as these European ears clearly aren't hearing the same things...

3/17/2008 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Sheena said...

I see that Franky Schaeffer has weighed in on this writing in The Huffington Post, comparing Jeremiah Wrights' comments to that of his own father.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

3/17/2008 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Brown said...

JT:

I sense a certain fear of Obama behind the "useful" posts you continue to make regarding Obama, himself a Christian.

If you don't want Obama to be your next President, that's fine. But this kind of guilt by association stuff really doesn't help your cause. And Obama's response to Wright's comments couldn't be clearer, yet there is no approbation of his response, only the incessant drumbeat of how much a problem Wright has become for Obama.

Perfect love casts out fear. Where's the love?

3/17/2008 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Mark Pendray said...

Phil,

I'm English and I can easily understand what 'the problem' is.

Wright has claimed that America created AIDS, deserves to be attacked because of Nagasaki, is run by the KKK, and offers support for a 'terrorist' state (Israel). He calls down curses on the USA, because 'they' dehumanize black people.

He obviously has an unreasoning, blind hatred of his country. Do these sound remotely like thoughtful critiques to you?

3/17/2008 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Phil said...

Hi Mark
I thought he said 'when America bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima no one batted an eyelid' - he was contrasting response to that over 9/11. Strong stuff, but 'treason'? To call Israel a terrorist state - strong stuff unless you're a Palestinian (Christian or otherwise), and of course Israel did become a nation state after a 'terrorist/liberation' campaign. As for KKK did he say they ran America or was he pointing out that he saw America as still under racism? To say the KKK run America is both nonsense, daft and despicable but to point out the second is none of those. I read Schaeffer's post as recommended by a previous post and I guess I agree with him.

3/17/2008 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Celucien L. Joseph said...

Justin,

It is important to read Wright's statements in context. As christians, we should be fair in our evaluation of other individuals we don't always agree with. Even those we label "liberals." Obama should not be blamed for his pastors' views. Obama's close friendship with his pastor does not mean that he endorses his point of views as he clearly indicated in the media. Moreover, Wright's position on race issues and the status of black's presence in America should be taken seriously. At least, he has helped many of us to become more aware of the inner struggle, ( What Dubois calls "Divided Consciousness") resistance, yet persistance of black people in America.

I would be more cautious to call Dr. Wright an "angry black man" or "an angry middle class black" Should we not be more careful with our words? Are we not supposed to speak the truth in love too?

3/17/2008 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger Celucien L. Joseph said...

Correction-
I would be more cautious not to call Dr. Wright an "angry black man" or "an angry black middle class" Should we not be more careful with our words? Are we not supposed to speak the truth in love too?

3/17/2008 02:29:00 PM  
Blogger wwdunc said...

When Barack Obama first announced he was running and I first found out that he was a part of Trinity United Church of Christ, I told my wife, "Wait until white folks find out who Obama's pastor is; America's not ready for Jeremiah Wright!"

Wright is not an unknown religious personality. He might be unknown to white evangelicals, but I used to see him on his weekly television program here in Chicagoland and I used to hear him on his radio program on Sunday afternoons. When he talks about racism, or Republicans (or those he considers white, racist Republicans) he usually sounds just like the video excerpts that have been paraded around the web. In other words, those excerpts were not out-of-character.

I am black, but I don't agree with Wright's theology or methodology and I wouldn't be a part of any United Church of Christ, but I think people are missing the point: Wright was not preaching for whites. I would guess that Wright couldn't care less what whites think about him. He was preaching to his predominantly black congregation which he pastored for 36 years, a congregation which obviously loves him.

I think many whites would be surprised and, perhaps, shocked to know what many blacks think about a lot of issues. I think this points out the fact that we still have a LOT of healing to do regarding race. The scars are very deep for some people--people like Jeremiah Wright, for instance.

3/17/2008 03:41:00 PM  
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3/17/2008 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger Jesse said...

Phil,

I suggest putting down the crack-pipe and opening up a window to let some fresh air in.

Jesse

3/17/2008 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Phil said...

Jesse
Thanks for the enlightening and helpful advice, when I take up smoking anything that might muddle my thoughts I'll be sure to remember to leave the window open. Until then though perhaps you could offer some more insight into what your point was?

Phil

3/17/2008 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger Jerald said...

rev. wright does something most preachers don't - preach prophetic sermons.

theologica.wordpress.com

3/18/2008 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Jerald said...

jt -
your continual attack on obama is sickening. you have lost much credibility.

jerry

theologica.wordpress.com

3/18/2008 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger JT said...

Jerald,

I'm sorry you feel that way.

So are you saying you agree with Rev. Wright's "prophetic sermons"? Do you think it's appropriate for a minister to perpetuate slander (like saying that the US government invented HIV to harm black people?).

Thanks,

JT

3/18/2008 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Jerald said...

JT-
No, slander find no place in the pulpit unless it's true. But for the media to broadcast his most stinging indictments is also slander, and for you to air them is slander against Rev. Wright.

He might not be the perfect pastor/preaching, but he does speak prophetically toward the empire. We as preachers are called to hold the nation accountable, to speak truth to power, and he's doing just that. Also, his South Chicago church is doing wonderful social ministries. I've seen it first hand.

3/18/2008 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger donsands said...

" .. contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For Certain men have crept in UNNOTICED, who long ago were marked ... ungodly men, who turn the grace of God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Likewise these dreamers defile the flesh , REJECT AUTHORITY, and SPEAK EVIL of dignitaries. Yet Michael the archangel in contending with the devil, ... dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, ... Woe to them! ...
These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. ... These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit." Jude 4-19

"But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, SPEAK EVIL of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption. ... For they speak great swelling words of emptiness, ... While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage." 2 Peter 2:12-19

There are many ministers of righteousness, who are ministers of the Satan, for Satan comes as an angel of light.

These are those who love themselves, and love to be up front and brag, and boast, and make loud noises.
I don't know for sure if this Mr. Wright is one of these false disciples, but he surely could be.

"Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. BUT the wisdom that is from above is first PURE, then PEACEABLE, GENTLE, WILLING TO YIELD, FULL of MERCY and GOOD FRUITS, WITHOUT PARTIALITY and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace." James 3:13-18

Some goods words to take to heart, and to judge others by. We need to mark those who are false pastors, teachers, and disciples in the Church.

And we need to, with tears, pray for those who are enemies of Jesus Christ and His Cross.

3/18/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger Jerald said...

yup good thinking donsands - the church's new mission: false pastor hunting (kinda reminds me of something called witch hunting - o yea, how'd that turn out?)

3/18/2008 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger jsingletary said...

wwdunc-

"I think this points out the fact that we still have a LOT of healing to do regarding race. The scars are very deep for some people--people like Jeremiah Wright, for instance."

May I very sincerely ask why? From my perspective it seems that someone like Jeremiah Wright keeps picking at the scab. Bill Cosby's message seems much more appropriate.

3/18/2008 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger donsands said...

"kinda reminds me of something called witch hunting"

Not me.

Reminds me of Romans 16:17: "Now I URGE you brothers, mark those who cause division and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve the Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flaterring speach deceive the hearts of the simple."

Seems you don't care for what the Bible says. The Word of God trumps all who speak in the pulpit, and say they speak for God.
many deceivers are in the pulpits today. And many are being deceived.

May the Lord help us mark all the false teachers, and pastors, and to avoid them. Amen.

3/18/2008 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger wwdunc said...

"May I very sincerely ask why [the racial scars for some are very deep]? From my perspective it seems that someone like Jeremiah Wright keeps picking at the scab."

That could be the case. It could also be because the original wounds were real and the result of repeated and significant blows. I don't know. That's why, really, you should get to know an "angry black man" and find out why he's so angry. Let him talk while you listen. He has a story to tell, and letting him tell it might be healing for him...and you just might learn something about being black in America.

3/19/2008 12:03:00 AM  
Blogger Jerald said...

donsands - good job of proof-texting. paul's concern in romans is not relevant to this issue.

sorry.

theologica.wordpress.com

3/19/2008 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger donsands said...

When I hear this man preach, he looks more like what Paul says to avoid, then he does someone to intreat, and listen to.

The pulpit is a sacred place. A place where the Word of God's grace needs to spoken. The truth must be expounded upon with love, and with humility.

I don't see that at all.

Obama condemns him. That should say something.

There are fasle teachers, that satan is using to deceive, if it were possible, even the elect of God.
That's something we need to heed, and we should be immersing ourselves in God's Word, for there are thousands upon thousands of false teachers within the Church.

3/19/2008 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Luke said...

JT,

I am ashamed that you would post things so negative and venomous towards Obama when you did not research what it was that made such a big deal. I listened to the post 9/11 sermon, and read Roland Martin's take, and I don't know if there is one thing that we should disagree with. Taking a couple of quotes out of a sermon can make anybody look like a monster, and you haven't taken his context into account at all.

Regarding his 9/11 sermon, see below:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

However, I'm not surprised that you would jump on this bandwagon. Anything that makes Obama look bad even though it's not the truth or it's half the truth you seem to post without any disclaimer. You have an agenda, and it is right-wing politics as much as the Gospel. Good day

3/21/2008 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger Muslims Against Sharia said...

Muslims Against Sharia call on Senators McCain and Obama to cut all ties with their racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic supporters.

McCain: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam.html
Obama: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/03/racist-congregation-cheering-racist.html

3/21/2008 10:47:00 PM  

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